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Message started by Hondo I. Sackett on Oct 29^th, 2007, 4:27pm

Title: thoughts on guns
Post by Hondo I. Sackett on Oct 29^th, 2007, 4:27pm

Subject: Thoughts on Guns
Not saying that some defenitely should not have guns...Those that will want to cause harm will always find a way to get them...

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

"In Accordance With the Prophecy."

"Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist."

"If you don't stand behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front of them !!!

Title: Re: thoughts on guns
Post by Fernando on Oct 29^th, 2007, 4:36pm

26- When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will use them!

27- I'd rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6.

Title: Re: thoughts on guns
Post by Soda on Jan 1^st, 2008, 8:57pm

Guns are a tricky issue, because so many people feel passionately about them. I live in a country with strict gun control laws, and I have never lived in a country with the constitutional right to carry weapons, so I cannot really compare anything. But I do know that criminals in this country are surely armed, and armed to the teeth, it would seem. In Australia, a bunch of rocket launchers and other weapons were stolen from an army depot a few years ago (link (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/army-link-to-stolen-weaponry/2006/12/14/1165685828177.html?page=fullpage)). With things like this going on, I do not really feel safe. I don't know whether personally owning a gun would make me feel better, because I am fearful of all weapons, but I can see how a gun in the right hands could improve the safety of families.

An important point (much like your point #20) that I like to bear in mind is this: blaming guns for murder is unreasonable, because they are inanimate. Although they are a weapon, and many are largely designed to kill or injure living things (or paper targets ;) ), blaming a weapon for murder vindicates criminals. Like Hondo sagely said, one cannot blame matches for arson, and similarly, one cannot blame alcoholic drinks for drunk driving offenses.

Some of these points (such as point #21) remind me of a quote from a movie I like, V For Vendetta: "People should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of its people."

As for the quote about illegal immigrants, I agree in principal, excepting one other small factor. A plaque inside the Statue of Liberty is inscribed with a poem called The New Colossus, and it reads:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Emma Lazarus, 1883

I find that this is at odds with the process of legal immigration into the United States, and the limitations put thereon. I've tried applying for a green card (although they're apparently not green any more! ;) ) through their lottery system, and the chances of winning are very slim. But I'm not a citizen of the United States, or even a visitor, so I should not really criticise. But I do yearn to breathe free.

Title: Re: thoughts on guns
Post by Winston on Jan 5^th, 2008, 11:32pm

Good article about how "dangerous" it is to let people own handguns...

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/you_dont_know_me.html

Title: Re: thoughts on guns
Post by Fernando on Jan 6^th, 2008, 10:03am

I'll let 2-The Ranting Gryphon say it. I've been saying the same thing since I was a kid.
http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-guns.mp3